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[情報] 關於新移民法規資訊的真偽?

看板Canada (加拿大)作者 (Laurence of Formosa)時間9年前 (2015/06/07 08:22), 編輯推噓5(5推 0噓 77→)
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傳送門: http://www.sfu.ca/education/cels/bilingual/bilingual-corner/bill-c-24.html 各位加拿大籍者，有誰可以查證這篇紀載的真偽嗎?? 這篇好像蠻嚴重的，意思是說加拿大過了一條法律讓政府 可以隨著自己的喜好任意註銷任何非加拿大出生的在籍者 的加拿大國籍國籍，甚至把移民進來加拿大的人或拿雙國籍者 化為"二等公民"。 不知道各位怎麼看? -- I can't belive it I am on PTT using school computer ~ So what~阿不就好棒棒:p 　　　 \ / 　　　 ○ 　　　 ︵ \○╱/| 　　　 . . ﹎ ﹍﹍ ╱￣﹚╱＞ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 134.117.117.165 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Canada/M.1433636533.A.E37.html
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06/07 08:50, , 1F
Bill C-24嗎..唉..目前若乖乖每年報稅，不要參與恐怖組織
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加拿大政府跟移民局不會隨便找你開刀
06/07 08:52, 2F
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06/07 08:53, , 3F
C-24是一條真實的新法律,引起很多反對聲浪
06/07 08:53, 3F
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06/07 08:54, , 4F
至於二等公民這些用詞是反對的人自己加的,原文不是這樣
06/07 08:54, 4F
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但大意就是說某些公民是可以在一定條件下被取消的
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06/07 08:57, , 7F
原文在這裡,自己讀;而且你讀這篇文章時也解讀錯了
06/07 08:57, 7F
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"二等公民"包括在加拿大出生的雙重國籍人,或有資格雙籍者
06/07 08:58, 8F
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你如你是台灣人,你在加拿大生了一個小孩,他就有資格雙國籍
06/07 08:58, 9F
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06/07 08:59, , 10F
就是新法律裡面所定義的"某些人"; 當個奉公守法公民就沒事
06/07 08:59, 10F
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而且新法律下,要歸化為加拿大公民的資格也變難了
06/07 08:59, 11F
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06/07 09:09, , 12F
嗯這個月新移民法上路了，移民申請公民條件增高
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06/07 09:44, , 13F
"例如"你是台灣人
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06/07 15:37, , 14F
我朋友去年寫的關於 Bill C-24，供參考。
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關於bill-c-24---加拿大公民法新制之淺見
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06/13 05:24, , 17F
The point that this bill is unjust is because the
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CIC Minister has the power to revoke anyone's cit
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izenship who he/she, with reasonable ground, belie
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ves that the person has committed crimes listed in
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the bill. Further, in order to appeal the decisio
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n the burden of proof now lies on the defendent. T
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his penalty is violating the Canadian Charter of R
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ights and Freedom Section 11(d) where the Minister
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directly believes the accused is guilty without h
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aving to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Thus directly places the accused under the burden
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of proof and not assuming innocence
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06/13 17:35, , 29F
沒做危害加拿大安全的事就不用擔心。當你有多重國籍卻作危
06/13 17:35, 29F
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06/13 17:35, , 30F
害國家的事情時，被取消國籍本就很合理，這表示你根本不在
06/13 17:35, 30F
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06/13 17:35, , 31F
乎這國家。那些單一國籍的人，政府無權讓他們成為"無國籍
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者"，所以沒有能力取消他們的國籍，反對者寫的內容根本混
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淆視聽，反因為果。
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You have to have basic knowledge of the legal syst
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em in Canada to actually know why this bill is und
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ermining the legal system. Basically simply believ
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ing you are not innocent and requiring you that yo
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u need prove you are innocent throws the entire le
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gal system back to the dark ages.
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違憲可以釋憲。當有人藉由憲法的漏洞危害國家安全時，它又
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如何能保障人民的基本安全、自由及權利？時代在改變，恐
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怖活動盛行的現在，撤銷國籍、褫奪公權已是必然的趨勢。法
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國、加拿大、英國、及澳洲，皆陸續採取類似的措施。目的是
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為了抑制猖獗的恐怖活動，並非原po文中，分化公民等級，
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甚至控制居住意願等不合理的要求。扭曲文字真意以達到反
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對的目的，把亞洲分化族群、等級這套拿來當政治手段，手法
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實在不可取，也很粗糙。
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06/14 07:00, , 48F
我朋友說恐怖份子是要被 convicted 才算，不是由加拿大政
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府自由心證。
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06/14 19:52, , 50F
Having the need of getting a hearsay from a friend
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to say that means you didn't read the entire bill
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yourself. Yes, you have to get convicted in order
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apply the revocation of citizenship. However, it
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also means that it skips the judge's decision and
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it leads straight to citizenship revocation. The
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point I'm arguing is not the fact that there shou
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ld not be a revocation of citizenship when it come
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s to extreme crimes but such punishment should be
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given on a more careful and fair basis as the bil
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l a) gives the Minister the right to revoke anyone
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who is convicted of the crimes listed in the bill
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and has or may get a dual citizenship without a t
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rial or judge hearing, and, b) the revocation only
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applies to those who has and/or able to obtain an
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other citizenship from a foreign sovereignty
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Further, you have to know that, there is no such a
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thing as "apply for an explanation of a section i
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n the Charter of Rights and Freedom" in Canada. Al
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l explanations and interpretations come from the p
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recedents or, as the case enters the surpreme cour
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t of Canada, the Chief Justice will then read out
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the section on the Charter and indicate what shou
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ld apply and then gives a further explanation of t
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he section. Please do try to understand the justic
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e system as this is crucial to understanding the b
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asic grounds to this bill.
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為啥不直接回文呢..................
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眼睛好痛
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06/16 09:39, , 79F
還有雙國籍者敢出國去讀書、工作嗎？
06/16 09:39, 79F
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the mobility rights outlined in the constitution a
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ct gaurrentees the citizens the freedom to move fr
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eely inside and outside of Canada
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